Author Topic: Dodonpachi Saidaioujou [Cave 2012, ARCADE] (Read 42608 times)

EOJ · « **Reply #60 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:34:36 PM »

That looks pretty awesome. Lots of color and all the gems getting sucked in gives me a Futari vibe. Also reminds me of Ketsui a bit, in terms of the shot movement. Looks like SH3 again too.

Monouchi · « **Reply #61 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:44:55 PM »

Quote from: Muchi Muchi Spork on February 02, 2012, 10:25:08 PM

http://bambuser.com/channel/cpsteve/broadcast/2336652

Looks cool.
Many of the graphical assets feels like they are taken straight from DFK.

Muchi Muchi Spork · « **Reply #62 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:46:44 PM »

Quote from: EOJ on February 02, 2012, 10:34:36 PM

Looks like SH3 again too.

Hopefully. I can't tell with the quality of the video but for sure it's supposed to run at 3:4 instead of 16:9. The medals are elongated.

EOJ · « **Reply #63 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:51:23 PM »

Yeah, the video is of an LCD monitor getting a feed from the cab. Its not the actual cab. Cave always does this at location tests. The game is not HD or 16:9.

Chempop · « **Reply #64 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:59:07 PM »

NICE! Big thanks for posting a link to that video, can't wait to see some nice clear flicks and stills.
I have to say, it hasn't quite sunk in yet that a new arcade game is actually on the way.

drunkninja · « **Reply #65 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:13:32 PM »

So.....anyone wanna help me fund a PCB purchase

Shalashaska · « **Reply #66 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:13:44 PM »

Yay no hyper bullet cancelling, no bullet cancelling from killing some of the larger enemies, and no transformer bosses.

This looks like the closest I'll get to a DOJ 2 on SH3. And I just sold my supergun too.

I really hope Cave reconsiders the no more 360 ports thing...

Chempop · « **Reply #67 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:59:18 PM »

Shalashaska, I'll enjoy it in Your stead.
P.s. the supergun should arrive in the next day or so, I can't wait!

Muchi Muchi Spork · « **Reply #68 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:25:31 AM »

Vids posted by GaijinPunch and rancor:

http://www.sk8tokyo.com/shmup/images/DDP-LOC/DDP-LOC1.avi
http://www.sk8tokyo.com/shmup/images/DDP-LOC/DDP-LOC2.avi
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7481829/IMG_1446.MOV
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7481829/IMG_1447.MOV

Erppo · « **Reply #69 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:59:12 AM »

These look pretty nice, even if it's hard to deduce how the scoring works based on just these.

I'm eagerly waiting for a second loop though, it's been a while since the last looping game. I think the patterns looking relatively easy even with the Expert mode might suggest there is one. It's certainly not on the level that you get with Strong in DFKBL.

Icarus · « **Reply #70 on:** February 03, 2012, 09:33:52 AM »

Quote from: Erppo on February 03, 2012, 07:59:12 AM

These look pretty nice, even if it's hard to deduce how the scoring works based on just these.

I'm eagerly waiting for a second loop though, it's been a while since the last looping game. I think the patterns looking relatively easy even with the Expert mode might suggest there is one. It's certainly not on the level that you get with Strong in DFKBL.

1) I reckon it's a return to difficult chaining, as it appears that you're encouraged to use a lot of hypers to score in (drive up hit count), but your chain breaks if lost in hyper mode, and you don't have the luxury of bullet-cancelling like in Daifukkatsu.

2) Why do I get the feeling there's a hidden route in the game? The first stage looks abnormally short.

Erppo · « **Reply #71 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:01:07 AM »

Quote from: Icarus on February 03, 2012, 09:33:52 AM

1) I reckon it's a return to difficult chaining, as it appears that you're encouraged to use a lot of hypers to score in (drive up hit count), but your chain breaks if lost in hyper mode, and you don't have the luxury of bullet-cancelling like in Daifukkatsu.

This is what I'm hoping for. I'm not really a fan of the direction DFKBL took, but I guess it can be seen more as an one-off instead of a real sequel to the series. It could be like reverse Daifukkatsu, with the chain being in risk during the hypers instead, and scoring involving using them near constantly. That combined with a large hyper rank effect and I'm happy.

Icarus · « **Reply #72 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:12:43 AM »

Quote from: Erppo on February 03, 2012, 10:01:07 AM

That combined with a large hyper rank effect and I'm happy.

Well, a telling fact is that the hyper rank counter is in double digits, which means that it is theoretically possible to get the rank up to 99, or Ultra Mode bullet patterns.
The main problem I'm seeing at the moment, is that it look like it takes forever to generate a hyper, in Expert Type at least.

Erppo · « **Reply #73 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:16:33 AM »

Quote from: Icarus on February 03, 2012, 10:12:43 AM

The main problem I'm seeing at the moment, is that it look like it takes forever to generate a hyper.

That could be explained simply by insufficient knowledge of the game. Charging takes quite long in DFK too if you just hang back and use the shot, but with proper techniques you can use the aura and have your hypers charged instantly even with the bomb ships.

Icarus · « **Reply #74 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:28:18 AM »

Quote from: Erppo on February 03, 2012, 10:16:33 AM

That could be explained simply by insufficient knowledge of the game. Charging takes quite long in DFK too if you just hang back and use the shot, but with proper techniques you can use the aura and have your hypers charged instantly even with the bomb ships.

True, but that was only really an issue for Bomb and Strong type throughout the game, and for Power type at the beginning of the game. Power had an increased hyper generation rate in unhypered Normal Mode, and you could use hyper Boost Mode to generate more energy. And once you had one hyper, proper play would see you generating them near constantly.

EDIT: Hang on! I think I've sussed it. If you look at the clips, there's a little light above the chaining gauge that lights up when it hits max. When it lights up, any kills after that keep it over max will add to your hyper gauge instead. Hyper generation seems to slow considerably in hyper mode, though. I wonder if the chaining gauge has an effect on bees as well, as I noticed a percentage multiplier on them when collected.

EDIT 2: Interesting. In normal mode, star items are +pts, in hyper mode, they're +hit.

ASR · « **Reply #75 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:50:27 AM »

So thankful to see this.
If this got ported cave would make beaucoup dollars.
Regardless, its good to see cave still in it.

brentsg · « **Reply #76 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:56:48 AM »

Quote from: ASR on February 03, 2012, 10:50:27 AM

If this got ported cave would make beaucoup dollars.

Nah, they'd sell a disappointing number of copies. I still expect to see a port but it's not like they sell like hotcakes in JPN or anywhere else.

HVL · « **Reply #77 on:** February 03, 2012, 12:01:25 PM »

Bikini instead of sukumizu? CAVE clearly needs to take Marketing 101.

Am I the only one thinking the DFK art is somewhat unfitting for a DOJ style game? Looks pretty good and interesting nevertheless.

Monouchi · « **Reply #78 on:** February 03, 2012, 12:40:03 PM »

What I miss is variation in the look of the levels...these three levels looks very similar.
But for ex in DOJ, first Military base, then up in the sky etc..

This is something i love about Mushi Futari, lots of variation in the level looks/scenery.

Third_strike · « **Reply #79 on:** February 03, 2012, 01:05:05 PM »

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16870363

Shalashaska · « **Reply #80 on:** February 03, 2012, 01:17:42 PM »

Music is pretty meh IMO. Seems like that stage 3 mid-boss is eating people up.

Let_It_Be · « **Reply #81 on:** February 03, 2012, 01:36:56 PM »

I'm liking what I see, I really want SOJ to do better in the Arcade than AK did. Let's just hope there aren't any major problems on release like DFK 1.0 had.

Naut · « **Reply #82 on:** February 03, 2012, 02:37:14 PM »

Good to see some forced bullet dodging. Chaining looks disappointingly easy, first credit autofire yields longer chains than expected for the first few stages. Kinda hoping there's another method other than shotgunning to quickly generate hypers. Bees and maintaining a chain don't vary enough to make route-finding fun. I'd like to see how Shuri plays.

Quote from: HVL on February 03, 2012, 12:01:25 PM

Bikini instead of sukumizu? CAVE clearly needs to take Marketing 101.

Cave's just covering all their bases -- Hikari's sporting the revered school swimsuit (well, a one piece that looks close enough). Hearing them say "hazukashi" whenever you pick expert is a bit disturbing though...

Icarus · « **Reply #83 on:** February 03, 2012, 02:55:59 PM »

Quote from: Naut on February 03, 2012, 02:37:14 PM

Cave's just covering all their bases -- Hikari's sporting the revered school swimsuit (well, a one piece that looks close enough). Hearing them say "hazukashi" whenever you pick expert is a bit disturbing though...

You'd be embarrassed too, if you were made to fly into a heated battle wearing nothing but a two-piece bikini.

Mmmm, yummy. If I was an enemy pilot, I know I'd be distracted.
I do find it funny how power = less clothing, though. Maximum Power Mode = naked? :p

Sapz · « **Reply #84 on:** February 03, 2012, 05:33:48 PM »

Still waiting hopefully for a Type A or Expert clear video.

Very interesting speculations about the scoring system. At first glance it appears like autochaining, but knowing Cave there's got to be some difficult and precise mechanic for getting at the higher scores.

EDIT: Oh wait, here's an A-S video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpsqm5QuBGA

I like the bomb.

EOJ · « **Reply #85 on:** February 03, 2012, 06:17:00 PM »

You guys have to keep in mind Cave almost always tweaks or changes the scoring system, bullet patterns, and difficulty level between the time of the location test ver and final ver. Look at Futari, for example. Its location test ver scoring system is totally different from ver 1.0. So I wouldn't spend too much time analyzing the system just yet.

Basically Cave gets feedback from top players, then makes changes. If there are still complaints after release, they make a 1.5.

Sapz · « **Reply #86 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:03:13 PM »

Here's a B-E run I found, up to stage 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fkXc_1Ch8c

Wow, it really is a lot harder, almost like a second loop. I'm curious if it'll loop considering how much more challenging this already looks.

Noted about the scoring system; suffice to say that however it ends up working, I'm even more excited for this after seeing the Expert mode. There seem to be a lot more hypers generated here which is I guess the scoring advantage.

Daverost · « **Reply #87 on:** February 04, 2012, 07:42:54 AM »

Quote from: Icarus on February 03, 2012, 02:55:59 PM

I do find it funny how power = less clothing, though. Maximum Power Mode = naked? :p

Ar tonelico logic.

Daverost · « **Reply #88 on:** February 04, 2012, 02:43:03 PM »

Did anyone post what the different outfits do yet?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/02/04/your-swimsuit-drives-enemies-wild-in-next-dodonpachi-game

moozooh · « **Reply #89 on:** February 04, 2012, 02:48:41 PM »

Yeah, it's just the silly front for Shot/Laser/Expert subtypes, except this time Expert makes the game harder like Strong style does in DFK BL.