Hello everyone,
just read this on cave's facebook page. Thought I just might share it here (allthough I have a jap 360).
Quote from: http://www.facebook.com/CAVECoLtd
Some of our fans may be familiar with our upcoming Muchi Muchi Pork/Pink Sweets Japan release. We currently have talks over some of our other Japan-only titles ongoing with overseas publishers, but our producer Asada-san is currently thinking about making the MMP/PS double pack region free. Feel free to send him some feedback here: blog360@mail.cave.co.jp
Oooh ooh ooh, it's finally my turn! Drum roll please...
:facepalm:
It felt good to wake up and write a blog post about this http://bit.ly/hPFVK5. Here's hoping they follow through as I know a lot of people who would like to get their hands on MMP.
Oh dear, here we go again... better not to visit shmups anymore.
Other than that, great post and nice picture. :righton:
Let the MMP/PS drama commence
Asada needs to consider the effect on western forums!
It may have two reasons:
1. Cave know that this game will most likely not be picked up from a western publisher because of the lack of HD graphics so they can make it as well region free.
2. DDP DFK sales were so disappointing that they want at least attract a few hundred foreign customers to boost up sales a little.
Quote from: brentsg on December 03, 2010, 12:44:03 PM
Asada needs to consider the effect on western forums!
:laugh:
Quote from: antares on December 03, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
1. Cave know that this game will most likely not be picked up from a western publisher because of the lack of HD graphics so they can make it as well region free.
this is probably the reason they're doing this
not bad anyway, at least we won't get a screwed up localization
I also feel that Muchi Muchi Pork and Pink Sweets aren't games which scream "Western localization is a good idea!" They're pretty stylistically strange.
But yeah, non-HD is probably a large factor. I hope it's region free so I don't have to hook up my Japanese 360 so much. Futari BL is on my US 360, so that's the one I'd prefer to use if I have a choice. I'm getting it either way, so I'm not too concerned.
ED: Although I do think that if it were given an American budget price (<$40) release it could actually do well.
If CAVE goes through with that, I am definitely putting in my order. Out of all planned releases, this is the one I was most excited about.
My opinions on this matter -
I think it sucks having some of the games region free and some not. Having to buy another console just to play a few games isnt fun.
What happens if people pick up titles such as Futari and Galuda 2, start getting into the genre and then realise to get the best games (Ketsui, DOJBLEX, DFK) they have to buy another console??
I understand region locking from a business end trying to protect their countries market but IMO all games which have little chance of being localized such as the Cave games - should all be made region free.
Quote from: spl on December 03, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
What happens if people pick up titles such as Futari and Galuda 2, start getting into the genre and then realise to get the best games (Ketsui, DOJBLEX, DFK) they have to buy another console??
From the sounds of it, CAVE is in talks regarding localizations...so maybe we're really only talking about DOJBLEX, Ketsui and an un-fucked with version of Deathsmiles. DSIIX sounds like a no-brainer considering how well DS sold and people are already aware of DFK, so that one has potential as well, though I'd be willing to bet whoever localizes it passes unless they can include BL on the disc.
Yeah but what do you think the difference would have been for Cave if they just made them region free in the first place?
These titles obviously do not sell that well overseas so perhaps Cave could make more money by selling more titles in the first place due to region free as opposed to selling the license to companies who only end up selling a small amount of the localized version?
This issue has been discussed to death...and I'm pretty sure there's already a thread dedicated to it. I'm fine with discussing it but it may be a better idea to keep this thread centered on the games themselves.
Quote from: NR777 on December 03, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
This issue has been discussed to death...and I'm pretty sure there's already a thread dedicated to it. I'm fine with discussing it but it may be a better idea to keep this thread centered on the games themselves.
This is definitely true, though I don't recall having a thread for it.
Please keep the threads centered around game discussion. If people wish to discuss region free gaming that bad, we can create a dedicated topic for it. To be honest though, I struggle to see how the discussion can be beneficial or positive. I guess we could also start a Mac vs. PC, Pepsi vs. Coke, and maybe even a Plasma vs. LCD topic too and we'll have dumping grounds for all the popular dead-horse discussions.
Seriously though, please refrain from the region free discussion and keep it on topic. If I have time later I might prune some of this out of the thread to reduce the temptation.
Quote from: brentsg on December 03, 2010, 06:58:31 PM
Seriously though, please refrain from the region free discussion and keep it on topic. If I have time later I might prune some of this out of the thread to reduce the temptation.
You can't seriously hope to expunge all region free discussion from this thread? Keeping generic talk about whether region-locking is good or bad or fucking over the Europeans is one thing, but people are going to want to talk about the status of this title and as long as Cave is considering it, I don't see how it could be considered off topic.
Quote from: njiska on December 03, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: brentsg on December 03, 2010, 06:58:31 PM
Seriously though, please refrain from the region free discussion and keep it on topic. If I have time later I might prune some of this out of the thread to reduce the temptation.
You can't seriously hope to expunge all region free discussion from this thread? Keeping generic talk about whether region-locking is good or bad or fucking over the Europeans is one thing, but people are going to want to talk about the status of this title and as long as Cave is considering it, I don't see how it could be considered off topic.
"might prune some" does not equal "expunge all"..
And really there isn't much to discuss. People can contact Cave to provide encouragement, but a string of "I sent am e-mail".. or "I hope they do" doesn't make for very interesting conversation.
Quote from: brentsg on December 03, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
And really there isn't much to discuss. People can contact Cave to provide encouragement, but a string of "I sent am e-mail".. or "I hope they do" doesn't make for very interesting conversation.
Well the same could be said about the DOJ thread. Still, point well taken and I think we're more or less on the same page. I just don't want to see the bullshit I've seen on other forums where any mention of the topic becomes automatic grounds for scrutiny.
Quote from: NR777 on December 03, 2010, 06:32:08 PM
Quote from: spl on December 03, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
What happens if people pick up titles such as Futari and Galuda 2, start getting into the genre and then realise to get the best games (Ketsui, DOJBLEX, DFK) they have to buy another console??
From the sounds of it, CAVE is in talks regarding localizations...so maybe we're really only talking about DOJBLEX, Ketsui and an un-fucked with version of Deathsmiles. DSIIX sounds like a no-brainer considering how well DS sold and people are already aware of DFK, so that one has potential as well, though I'd be willing to bet whoever localizes it passes unless they can include BL on the disc.
Personally, I'd pick Futari over every other Cave game I have combined. They're all quite good though. Ketsui takes my second place, but it's just no Futari. Can't wait for MMP/PS. I love the traditional Cave style, but I have a bunch of those and no Raizing style games. MMP in particular looks fun as hell.
Wow, didn't expect this. I'll pre-order a 2nd copy if it happens, would make a nice (albeit sadistic) gift for my woman.
If it's region-free I'll put in a region-free preorder and make sure I get the region-free shipping. Shipping usually isn't region-locked, right?
Thanks for splitting this out and stickying it. Region free babble has nothing to do with the game. I will most probably buy this if it is REFE GONIER.
I honestly don't see how I'll be able to pull myself away from DOJBL for it, though. Locked or not, I can play it, and DOJBL is so good that nothing seems very urgent to me anymore...
(Not even DFK. Still haven't played it.)
What does making the game region free have to do with copy protection?
Quote from: StarCreator on December 04, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
What does making the game region free have to do with copy protection?
For several years it was only possible to play copied games of the same region your console is in. Due to the newer JTAG mods that's not an issue anymore. But most people probably still have the old mod chips. So it's a more or less good copy protection.
Making region free releases so far, didn't seem to generate any extra income for Cave. They probably only lost potential paying customers due to it.
Still it makes perfect sense to release the MMP package regionfree, as it's financially irrelevant to them.
It still could generate harm to them, as it lowers the urge to get a J-X360. But I doubt they have any kind strategic thinking...
Quote from: THE on December 04, 2010, 09:09:29 AMStill it makes perfect sense to release the MMP package regionfree, as it's financially irrelevant to them.
Having to pay for multi-region testing/certification is not financially irrelevant, especially in the case of highly niche, low-selling releases such as this.
Quote from: bcass on December 04, 2010, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: THE on December 04, 2010, 09:09:29 AMStill it makes perfect sense to release the MMP package regionfree, as it's financially irrelevant to them.
Having to pay for multi-region testing/certification is not financially irrelevant, especially in the case of highly niche, low-selling releases such as this.
Should have better worded it like this:
MMP package is financially irrelevant to them
But both is true, region free adds maybe 10k to the bill. Which is pretty much irrelevant too.
Quote from: THE on December 04, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
Quote from: StarCreator on December 04, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
What does making the game region free have to do with copy protection?
For several years it was only possible to play copied games of the same region your console is in. Due to the newer JTAG mods that's not an issue anymore. But most people probably still have the old mod chips. So it's a more or less good copy protection.
Making region free releases so far, didn't seem to generate any extra income for Cave. They probably only lost potential paying customers due to it.
Still it makes perfect sense to release the MMP package regionfree, as it's financially irrelevant to them.
It still could generate harm to them, as it lowers the urge to get a J-X360. But I doubt they have any kind strategic thinking...
I think this is about the only interesting thing I've read in the region-free debate. I don't tune into the JTAG stuff so I was unaware.
I was about to post a long-winded post about the potential loss and gains of region-free and how it affects Cave's decision making process on the matter, when I saw on the Mushihimesama Futari 1.5 wiki that Asada-san would use Futari 1.5 as a litmus test for future region-free support. I guess Mushi Futari did well enough to release ESPGaluda 2 without being region-locked, but something happened with that release that left Cave with a bad feeling toward region-free?
Sorry if this has all been covered I apologize. Just curious as to how the decisions against region-free releases came about, and if it actually is unprofitable for Cave to remove the NTSC-J region only coding.
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 04, 2010, 04:10:59 PM
I was about to post a long-winded post about the potential loss and gains of region-free and how it affects Cave's decision making process on the matter, when I saw on the Mushihimesama Futari 1.5 wiki that Asada-san would use Futari 1.5 as a litmus test for future region-free support. I guess Mushi Futari did well enough to release ESPGaluda 2 without being region-locked, but something happened with that release that left Cave with a bad feeling toward region-free?
The sales of Futari 1.5 probably made CAVE think more about licensing their games overseas. Espgaluda II seemed to me more of a good-will (the limited edition was region locked) to fans while CAVE sorted out talks with western publishers.
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 04, 2010, 04:10:59 PMSorry if this has all been covered I apologize. Just curious as to how the decisions against region-free releases came about, and if it actually is unprofitable for Cave to remove the NTSC-J region only coding.
In a nutshell, if they make a release region-free then it reduces the odds that a publisher will pick it up for a localized release. Also, Cave incurs additional expense (time is money) by having to go through Microsoft's approval process in the non-native regions. So it's not just a simple matter of flipping a bit on the disk. There is additional process that they have to go through, as I understand it.
And let's face it. Only hardcore fans are going to import region free games with the associated bother and higher prices. Localized sales will always be higher, when feasible. It's just a matter of Asada determining 1) Is it feasible to get publishers to localize in other markets, and 2) If the answer for 1 is no, then will region free increase sales enough to at least cover the additional cost of making it region-free?
Quote from: brentsg on December 04, 2010, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 04, 2010, 04:10:59 PMSorry if this has all been covered I apologize. Just curious as to how the decisions against region-free releases came about, and if it actually is unprofitable for Cave to remove the NTSC-J region only coding.
In a nutshell, if they make a release region-free then it reduces the odds that a publisher will pick it up for a localized release. Also, Cave incurs additional expense (time is money) by having to go through Microsoft's approval process in the non-native regions. So it's not just a simple matter of flipping a bit on the disk. There is additional process that they have to go through, as I understand it.
And let's face it. Only hardcore fans are going to import region free games with the associated bother and higher prices. Localized sales will always be higher, when feasible. It's just a matter of Asada determining 1) Is it feasible to get publishers to localize in other markets, and 2) If the answer for 1 is no, then will region free increase sales enough to at least cover the additional cost of making it region-free?
And let's not for get that when a company picks the title up for localization they're paying a license fee, so even if the game sell like shit Cave gets a base amount of money.
I think Futari was a perfect way to test the overseas response, if only because it's one of their most popular and well-known games around the world. Espg2 didn't stand a chance to be localized anyway, because it never was popular here: partly due to its unforgiving difficulty, and partly due to the gameplay complexity that both made a lot of people deem it a lot less accessible compared to the predecessor (while Futari is almost universally accepted to be superior to first Mushi). Making it a gift to strengthen the bond with Western fanbase was a good move, even if financially unprofitable.
DeathSmiles and DDP are the only two franchises that are on par with Mushi series in terms of widespread popularity, so they would be the shoe-in titles for localizing in case Futari brought positive results. And considering DeathSmiles is undergoing its second localization as we speak, the response probably was convincing enough. Which means you can expect DFK localized by the end of 2011, most likely with BL already on the disc.
MMP and PS are both very niche titles that appeal almost exclusively to Yagawa/Raizing fans (in one way or another), so localizing it would achieve exactly nothing, while making it region-free will allow those (hundred-something?) players who can't import an NTSC-J console a way of playing these games. I'm not convinced there are enough of them around the world, but if there are and it will offset the region protection stripping cost, it will be worth it just for publicity's sake.
As for the rest of the titles, Ketsui could possibly stand a chance, but lack of an HD upgrade and a novice mode make it a very bad candidate even disregarding the fact that pretty much everybody who wanted it already have it in some way. XBLA release is not completely out of the question, but eh, not sure if Cave will go for it (then again, if they decided to port Dangun to what is supposedly XBLA or something similar, why the hell not?). Akai Katana might actually prove to be popular overseas ? more so than even in Japan ? because it's very unlikely even top players here will max it out without having played it for months on, and the stylistics are rather appealing (if absurd at times). Add a couple rank-based arrange modes with uncapped hit count, outsource it to M2, and you have a winner.
That being said, I mentioned Akai Katana in my email to Asada, expressing my interest in it and saying it looks like it will exactly suit a player of my ability. Who knows, maybe he'll take the hint. :)
I'm mostly excited to see how Cave proceeds in terms of Western/Global releases. Since certain games haven't been released officially in the West, Cave could still profit from releasing more packaged disc releases with multiple games a la MMP/PS. The money made from the NA sales would mostly be cream on top of whatever initial profits they made.
We still haven't seen a localized version Ketsui, DDP DOJ, ESPGaluda, Mushihime-sama (not sure if it would be worth it since Futari is thought of as supperior), Ibara, and Deathsmiles II. And as it stands, Cave World has announced more announcements for December which leads me to believe another port is coming to iPhone. At this point, they could have Aksys localize any of their past titles (a part from ESPGaluda, Mushi-sama, not sure how well they'd sell) and whatever money they would lose to MS certification or porting cost would be irrelevant in terms of their initial profits. This paired with the confirmation of more XBLA titles to come, you'll never know which game they'll reveal is being ported next.
Oh the excitement. I've started my dedication to Guwange effective this week. Even though it's a decade old, it still looks amazing.
From Facebook:
Asada P thanks everyone for the flood of emails into his inbox. He says he's going to give it some thought and have an answer for you by the weekend.
Looks like MMP/PS confirmed region-free. Check link below:
http://kotaku.com/5707906/big-ladies-and-shooter-sweets-go-region-free
Quote from: Special World on December 03, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Ketsui takes my second place, but it's just no Futari.
:facepalm:
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: Special World on December 03, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Ketsui takes my second place, but it's just no Futari.
:facepalm:
lol futari
DOJBL would like a word
Anyway, this is really cool. I skipped DFK because I didn't really have the time or money (and planned on buying the package version of DFKBL), but I guess I'll have to sell some things off to get PS&MMP, now that they've gone through all the trouble to get it REFE GONIER for us.
Futari Black Label slays, you guys are whack. Only Cave game where the scoring doesn't take away from the intensity of the gameplay. The bullet patterns are awesome, and having Original and Maniac modes gives it a lot more playability as well. Ketsui comes close to being as fast paced, though, and definitely has some of the most fun and original bullets in shooter history. Pretty much every other Cave game I've played has been made less intense by their scoring systems, particularly ESPgaluda II. It just becomes so sterile due to overwrought mechanics.
And DOJ is bunk for any type of scoring, imo.
That being said...
HELL YEAH REGION FREE MMP/PS!
Now if only any of my friends bought scrolling shooters, I could actually spread this joy.... ah well. I'll spread the joy by sitting in front of my TV all February, bleary-eyed.
Quote from: Special World on December 07, 2010, 09:19:31 AM
Futari Black Label slays, you guys are whack. Only Cave game where the scoring doesn't take away from the intensity of the gameplay.
:facepalm: (This doesn't even make sense by your own rationale, FBL scoring is more difficult than 1.5.)
Quote from: Special WorldPretty much every other Cave game I've played has been made less intense by their scoring systems, particularly ESPgaluda II. It just becomes so sterile due to overwrought mechanics.
:facepalm:
Quote from: Special WorldAnd DOJ is bunk for any type of scoring, imo.
:facepalm:
One day after you've had a little more experience with Cave shmups there's a good chance you'll cringe at some of these statements and perform some surgical stealth edits when no-one's looking.
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 08:02:12 AM
lol futari
DOJBL would like a word
Damn straight. :righton:
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 09:34:07 AMOne day after you've had a little more experience with Cave shmups there's a good chance you'll cringe at some of these statements and perform some surgical stealth edits when no-one's looking.
Now, now, don't go making assumptions again. You did the same with me once, if you remember. Kid just has a different opinion than the rest of the group. It doesn't mean he doesn't understand Cave games, just that he has different tastes. I'll even agree with him on a few points:
- I enjoy scoring more in MFBL than I do in 1.5 or Ketsui
- DOJ's scoring is just annoying. It's too strict for me to get into. I find the original more enjoyable. Hell i'll even take Guwange's game-long chains over it.
- Espgaluda II is sterile. Of all the Cave games I've played I like it the least. THe original has a better mix of scoring and gameplay. II is just too complicated for it's own good. Plus the music is Euro-trash garbage.
I'm not saying he's right, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's a matter of taste.
Quote from: njiska on December 07, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 09:34:07 AMOne day after you've had a little more experience with Cave shmups there's a good chance you'll cringe at some of these statements and perform some surgical stealth edits when no-one's looking.
Now, now, don't go making assumptions again. You did the same with me once, if you remember.
I don't, but yeah, I get what you're saying. :-[
In danger of going very off topic though, Futari BL being the only Cave shmup that has scoring that doesn't take away from the intensity of the gameplay is crazy talk I tell you. The fact that original FBL is the easiest Mushi in existence doesn't do much for the intensity stakes anyway.
DOJ BL is god and cannot be offended by anything anyone says, but what's with you boys and Galuda II - the game is stunningly good. :oogle:
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 10:26:52 AM
The fact that original FBL is the easiest Mushi in existence doesn't do much for the intensity stakes anyway.
Play for score. Everyone who makes that statement never, ever tries playing for score. Being pixels away from enemies to shed gems is intense. It's just not the same kind of intensity as, "Oh crap i've 0.0032 seconds to strike an enemy or i lose my chain". As I said it all comes down to personal tastes
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 10:26:52 AMDOJ BL is god and cannot be offended by anything anyone says, but what's with you boys and Galuda II - the game is stunningly good. :oogle:
I don't like needlessly complicated scoring. Galuda I had it right.
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Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: njiska on December 07, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 09:34:07 AMOne day after you've had a little more experience with Cave shmups there's a good chance you'll cringe at some of these statements and perform some surgical stealth edits when no-one's looking.
Now, now, don't go making assumptions again. You did the same with me once, if you remember.
I don't, but yeah, I get what you're saying. :-[
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DOJ BL is god and cannot be offended by anything anyone says, but what's with you boys and Galuda II - the game is stunningly good. :oogle:
The bolded statement is the most relevant. I don't see a game to top DOJBL anytime soon (though I bet DFK and DFKBL will be perfectly enjoyable, and I do love my YGW), so there really isn't much need for any activity that isn't playing DOJBL. Let the unenlightened play their silly non-DOJBL games, they will either learn some day on their own, or forever be in the dark. 'Tis not our loss.
Also, I beat adverse's score by peanuts last night, so maybe I'll post it today for kicks, heh.
And for you guys that are whining about DOJ scoring...something is seriously wrong. DOJ 1-1 and 1-2 are probably the easiest stages to max out score of any CAVE game I can think of. I can't even max out score in the first two stages of Ibara (7M to ACR's 7.6M after Stage 2, though I also don't have autofire...I wonder if that would quite make up 600k points?), but I can get pretty damn close in DOJBL and DOJWL (45M in DOJBL's 1-1 to HFD's 46M, etc). DOJ's scoring timings are so flexible it's a joke. Espgaluda 1 has harder timings than DOJBL. All this tells me is that you guys don't actually try to score in shooting games, you just comment on either whatever you enjoy pretending to score at the most, or whatever scoring seems, in theory, to be the best to you. It does take a little "practice" and "effort" to get good at a game, and once you start building skill at something you can actually tell whether or not it's fun to continue...Seriously, DOJBL is like the most intense shit ever >_>
Since PS is going to be region free, I now have to start caring about playing it. Do you guys think there'll be built-in autofire so I don't have to mash the cracker button to max out rank?
So glad we have NCSX in the US, as I don't have to do the importing myself, or wait weeks for things to ship.
Quote from: njiska on December 07, 2010, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: skykid on December 07, 2010, 10:26:52 AM
The fact that original FBL is the easiest Mushi in existence doesn't do much for the intensity stakes anyway.
Play for score. Everyone who makes that statement never, ever tries playing for score. Being pixels away from enemies to shed gems is intense. It's just not the same kind of intensity as, "Oh crap i've 0.0032 seconds to strike an enemy or i lose my chain". As I said it all comes down to personal tastes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAtN-8N4oJI#t=0m30s
Spewing gems all over the place is dumb and annoying. It's far too easy to run into something. That sort of lame shit isn't intense, it's just annoying. If it's intense as all the people I've seen defending it say it is, why does no one get any good at it besides, like, Schrodinger's Cat?
Looks like any chance of discussing MMP & PS has been thrown out the window :P .
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 07, 2010, 11:33:37 AM
Looks like any chance of discussing MMP & PS has been thrown out the window :P .
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 10:56:14 AM
Since PS is going to be region free, I now have to start caring about playing it. Do you guys think there'll be built-in autofire so I don't have to mash the cracker button to max out rank?
So glad we have NCSX in the US, as I don't have to do the importing myself, or wait weeks for things to ship.
That's what the other thread is for, anyway. This one is specifically for OT chat.
OK we need to all agree to the points or this conversation is going to go nowhere:
First: Not everyone likes chaining. Not everyone finds chaining intense or even fun
Second: Not everyone likes item collecting. Not everyone finds item collecting intense or fun
Third: All gamers have different tastes and have different ideas about what is intense to them.
Fourth: DOJBL is not indisputably the best anything ever. There is always room for dispute
Fifth: No single one of us is right, nor capable of being because this is an entirely
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 10:56:14 AM
And for you guys that are whining about DOJ scoring...something is seriously wrong. DOJ 1-1 and 1-2 are probably the easiest stages to max out score of any CAVE game I can think of. I can't even max out score in the first two stages of Ibara (7M to ACR's 7.6M after Stage 2, though I also don't have autofire...I wonder if that would quite make up 600k points?), but I can get pretty damn close in DOJBL and DOJWL (45M in DOJBL's 1-1 to HFD's 46M, etc). DOJ's scoring timings are so flexible it's a joke. Espgaluda 1 has harder timings than DOJBL. All this tells me is that you guys don't actually try to score in shooting games, you just comment on either whatever you enjoy pretending to score at the most, or whatever scoring seems, in theory, to be the best to you. It does take a little "practice" and "effort" to get good at a game, and once you start building skill at something you can actually tell whether or not it's fun to continue...
This isn't a penis measuring contest. I'll happily admit right now that 9/10 times I don't really care about scoring. I am not the worlds greatest shmupper and I don't have 40 hours a week to waste trying to learn how to chain.
That being said I do always try to learn how scoring works and if I like a score system i will try to learn the tricks. Just because I don't learn the best way to get the score, doesn't mean I don't understand the system.
MFBL Original is a mode I play for score. I like how it works and I can see marked improvements in my play each time. Do I have a good score? Hell no, only 194 Million, but i fully understand the scoring system, i know the tricks to get a better score and i'm enjoying myself. I find flying pixels away and risking death to be very, very intense. I do not get the same emotional reaction from DOJs chain system. Galuda II has enough complexity to it's system that for similar reasons I find it frustrating and boring, not intense and fun.
If you think that makes me a bad shmupper and someone who doesn't know what he's talking about then you're welcome to that opinion. But you are an elitist.
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 11:36:54 AM
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 07, 2010, 11:33:37 AM
Looks like any chance of discussing MMP & PS has been thrown out the window :P .
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 10:56:14 AM
Since PS is going to be region free, I now have to start caring about playing it. Do you guys think there'll be built-in autofire so I don't have to mash the cracker button to max out rank?
So glad we have NCSX in the US, as I don't have to do the importing myself, or wait weeks for things to ship.
That's what the other thread is for, anyway. This one is specifically for OT chat.
Actually this thread was meant to be closed after the official announcement from Asada. But since EOJ is linking to it on the home page, I imagine it will stay open. Either way, I was only making an observation.
Watch the video. There is delicious pointblanking. The ships bleed hits when you pointblank them. It makes your mouth water...Your eyes get misty...
(http://www.womans-world.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/woman-pleasure.jpg)
Just because this is a thread for region free stuff, it doesn't mean anything goes in here.
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 07, 2010, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 11:36:54 AM
Quote from: TheSoundofRed on December 07, 2010, 11:33:37 AM
Looks like any chance of discussing MMP & PS has been thrown out the window :P .
Quote from: Medal on December 07, 2010, 10:56:14 AM
Since PS is going to be region free, I now have to start caring about playing it. Do you guys think there'll be built-in autofire so I don't have to mash the cracker button to max out rank?
So glad we have NCSX in the US, as I don't have to do the importing myself, or wait weeks for things to ship.
That's what the other thread is for, anyway. This one is specifically for OT chat.
Actually this thread was meant to be closed after the official announcement from Asada. But since EOJ is linking to it on the home page, I imagine it will stay open. Either way, I was only making an observation.
Three people have already posted since I brought that up for discussion and no one has offered their thoughts...
I really do hope they add some kind of autofire for it, though. And then if they re-port Ibara, follow suit.
An avid follower of the shmups forum and even cave-stg when it launched, I've fallen from grace, not being able to play anything since DOJ, really (greatest game ever).
The whole region-free thing drives you all nuts and thankfully brentsg answered my main question about simply WHY it's such a big deal. However you all see to be more in the know than I was ever, and on the topic of localizations, is there *any* chance of DFK coming? I only ask b/c it totally and utterly breaks my heart that I can't play. And I certainly don't mean an iPhone port.
As for PS/MMP, neither truly caught my interest watching from afar. However, as a combo, I think it's a sweet deal. Reading such love from you all make it a potential worthwhile purchase.
There's certainly a chance, as DFK is the most popular and potentially attractive retail release for westerners after DS (which enjoyed both US and PAL releases) and Mushi Futari (which is, as you know, region-free and available for like $30). It's a recent game with lots of content, eye-candy, and very forgiving difficulty curve that can suit everybody.
If somebody (Aksys?) makes an anthology release of DFK with BL goodies thrown in on the disc, I can certainly see that making profit. Time will tell, though. DFK was only released in Japan a couple months ago, after all.
DFK 1.5 is no big loss really. It's a good game, but not one of the best. I have a feeling the BL version will be a bit better. You should see a DFK 1.5 localization within the next year or so (I'd be really surprised if not), with BL included.
If you love DOJ you should get a JP X360 as it's the best way to play DOJ BL outside of the original PCB.
As for PS/MMP, they are two of my all-time favorite games. MMP and Futari 1.5 have been my top two shooting games since they were released. Hard to choose a favorite. PS is also awesome, but harder, and more old-school. For what it's worth, I'd rather play PS than DFK 1.5, Ketsui, Ibara, Mushihimesama or Espgaluda (and anything released by Cave before 2002). Getting both PS and MMP in one package is the deal of the decade.
Dammit EOJ quit getting me so excited for MMP/PS.
Here I am waiting for Deathsmiles IIX and DFK BL and you gotta keep telling me the best is coming last.
still waiting to see the LE artwork for PS/MMP
Both versions have the same cover art. Only get the LE if you want those two soundtrack CDs.
Hello Everyone
Im new here, after having a little conversation with EOJ i made my order at play-asia on the 21february.
They shipped it partialy, the games came in today, japanese X360 will be shipped by the 14th march.
i received today
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3918/img0200um.jpg)
Now i know i can play Muchi Muchi Pork / Pink Sweets... but what should i do with the other :facepalm: i want to play them now. I guess i cant do anything else than wait for the Japanese X360 to arive.
Going to play now Muchi Muchi Pork.
Best Regards
Bruno Panda
Looks like a solid collection. Have fun!
A word of warning - unless you plan to play on a JP gamertag full-time, don't redeem any of the DLC codes until you have the 360 you're going to be playing the most on. DLC works for all gamertags on the console it was initially downloaded, but if you download it to any other console, it'll only work for the gamertag that redeemed it (and only while signed on to LIVE) unless you do the once-a-year license transfer from your old console.
Quote from: StarCreator on March 01, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
Looks like a solid collection. Have fun!
A word of warning - unless you plan to play on a JP gamertag full-time, don't redeem any of the DLC codes until you have the 360 you're going to be playing the most on. DLC works for all gamertags on the console it was initially downloaded, but if you download it to any other console, it'll only work for the gamertag that redeemed it (and only while signed on to LIVE) unless you do the once-a-year license transfer from your old console.
Thanks for the info i didnt know that.
But i didnt touch any of the DLC's yet.
I'll do that as soon as i got my japanese X360
Gotta say muchi muchi pork is great, can't wait to get home and play it.
Greetz
BrunoPanda
03.11.11 Update =D
Jep jep, just got home and look the Japanese XBOX360 came today.
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7518/img0208m.jpg)
Now i can play my japanese Cave Games. :righton:
Greetz
BrunoPanda
Quote from: THE on December 04, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
Quote from: StarCreator on December 04, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
What does making the game region free have to do with copy protection?
Making region free releases so far, didn't seem to generate any extra income for Cave. They probably only lost potential paying customers due to it.
Still it makes perfect sense to release the MMP package regionfree, as it's financially irrelevant to them.
It still could generate harm to them, as it lowers the urge to get a J-X360. But I doubt they have any kind strategic thinking...
For me - it was playing the MMP/PS pack that convinced me to get a J-360! Good strategic thinking Asada!
I've asked elsewhere but I'll ask her as well.
Is there any way to fix the messed up ratio of this game when you Tate it?
The game rolls the image through 90 degrees but also rolls the aspect ratio with it, so your screen is Tate'd but the aspect ratio is still 4:3 which leaves you with borders top and bottom.
If you (like me) run the game on a 4:3 screen:
1. Launch the game (I'm running it in 480p)
2. As the game has been loaded, go down into the System settings
(http://www.emphatic.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mmp_ps_general.jpg)
3. Turn off the Wide Mode then adjust the zoom until you have a filled screen
4. Enter one of the game modes and start a new game
(http://www.emphatic.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mmp_ps_ingame_setting.jpg)
5. Pause and go to the options and zoom stuff until you're satisfied
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, and most US region games will play fine as well.
Nohing different except the occasional region locked US title and you still cannot easily play Japan games on demand titles.
You will need to setup both region Live acxounts. Once purchased, DLC may be used by all accounts on this console.